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I hung out with Joel for a bit last night, had some decent conversation, and then we went downstairs to hang out with Jax, Cindy, and Tory. Very interesting conversations ensued about our current financial predicament, religion, and government.

I am profoundly grateful to have friends who can carry on a spirited and intelligent discussion on a wide variety of topics. I was perhaps more vehement in my statements about religion than I should have been, as usual, but it's a subject I feel strongly about.

As of this morning I'm down 15 pounds from start weight. Diet continues to be pretty manageable, although I have recently been less disciplined about keeping my food diary, which is a slight cause for concern, and something I'll have to be better about.

Having two high-calorie days a week is nice, just in the sense that it allows me to do things like go out for a nice dinner with Krishna or have a treat without feeling bad about cheating on the diet.

Life continues apace. Most things are pretty good, other things drive me crazy. So it is.

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Date: 2008-10-01 09:10 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] giantlaser.livejournal.com
I for one support your vehemence toward religion. The sooner we treat religion and religious people for what they are - mentally ill - the better off we'll be.

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Date: 2008-10-01 04:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tranceboy.livejournal.com
On the one hand, I think that it is important to stand up and say outright that religion is harmful and false. Pussyfooting around the situation isn't doing the trick, and I think that being direct and willing to confront the absurdity of religion is necessary.

On the other hand, I think that saying people are crazy and stupid is probably counterproductive. That is not to say that I don't do those things, hence my regrets about my vehemence, but I question the value of that stance in actually improving the situation. It may be that scorn and outright mockery is the best way to handle it, but it's a dicey position.

I feel like religion actually handles some parts of the human experience much better than anything else out there. The problem is that it's like going to the doctor and having them make you eat lead pills along with your Prozac.

And most people refuse the lead pills most of the time, or will only take the lead pills one day a week, but those people legitimize taking the lead pills all the time. "Bob takes lead pills and he's not a crazy violent fuck, so you can't say that taking lead pills is all bad. And if I didn't take the lead pills, I wouldn't be able to take Prozac, and then I would be sad."

That's not to say that religion doesn't have some very good things about it, but in the end, the poison bundled with those things is a net negative. I think that separating those positive qualities from religion and taking them on their own merits is the best thing to do. But I think that requires a more direct and considered examination of religion than is currently acceptable. I think we can keep the baby and throw out the fetid, crap-filled bathwater, but first it requires some intense examination and honest evaluation of what is baby and what is crap.


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